As I stood up, he stopped me and wanted to talk to me for a little bit longer. He told me that he has a son who has gone gay. He told me about the history of his son and everything. He does not share this with a lot of people, but he shared it with me because he loves, cares, and trusts me. He and his son have had numerous conversations about the church. Every time their conversation ends, his son ends up hating him more (he has now stopped talking to his son about the Church) and his son has a renewed conviction that God made him gay and that is what he is supposed to be.
After telling me this, I told him about some of the beliefs floating around the MoHo community such as how God is eventually going to allow gay marriage so it is not wrong to act on it now, God made me gay and that is what I am supposed to be, how can I deny who I am and be something that God did not make me, God is telling me to be gay and pursue a relationship, etc. He was extremely saddened when he heard this from me because it was the same reasoning his son had given him numerous times. He then spoke to me about some essential doctrine that I will never forget.
The doctrine of 2008 from God is that doing anything homosexual is wrong and sinful. That is all there is to it. There might be a time in the future where God does change the rules and allows homosexual actions and marriages (I do not think this is going to happen though), but as of right now it is wrong. He told me that if you or anyone else does something, that is considered sinful in this time period--it needs to be repented of. If it is not repented of when the rules change, it is still considered a sin and you still need to repent of it because it was a past transgression when the rules were different. This hit me really hard and I knew it to be true through a witness from the Spirit. We must follow the doctrine of 2008. Just because we feel it is unfair or wrong, does not mean that we can change it. Only God can change it and so far, He has not. The prophets tell us that it is wrong and they are the closest ones to God (we do not even compare to them in closeness), so we must follow what they say and follow the commandments of God.
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I was led by multiple links to this place you share your thoughts.
I admire the courage you have to share, uncensored, what you think and believe.
Perhaps, you will come share with me someday.
Can't wait to see what you have to share next time.
it is still considered a sin and you still need to repent of it because it was a past transgression when the rules were different. This hit me really hard and I knew it to be true through a witness from the Spirit.
I respect that, I really do. I just couldn't disagree more. Not that you're doing anything wrong, because I don't know if you are or not, and that's not even the point.
I disagree only in as much as I have had witnesses through the Spirit that have told me the opposite.
I know you probably think that's impossible, but I don't think that our two differing experiences have to be mutually exclusive.
i hope God changes the rules before i'm past my prime! lol.
oh, and yeah, it was great hangin' out! i always enjoy the company of "family" members.
If it is not repented of when the rules change, it is still considered a sin and you still need to repent of it because it was a past transgression when the rules were different.
Rules? This is church doctrine, inspired by God. Is it going to be change? And if it is what does that say? I have talked with my bishop about the churches stance on this, he mentioned that he wishes the Prophet would make this a matter of sincere pray but he doesnt think that is going to happen any time soon. One in four families is dealing with homosexuality, why is there so little information on the topic? It seems like it is ignored. The "doctrine of 2008" is deal with it because we really dont understand it at all. Oh, and start repenting if you didnt get married back in the 80s when the church was preaching that as the cure for queers.
It's always a good idea to follow the teachings of the prophet during the time in which you live. We're not accountable to follow the doctrine of the children of Israel during Moses' time. Likewise if they were to follow the doctrine of 2008 during their time, it wouldn't have gone too well (stoning, anyone?). Some may hope against hope that things will change and vindicate what they do/have done, but the fact of the matter is that you can plan for the future, but you have to live in the present.
And it's good to know that there are apostles and seventies and others who meet in committee on a weekly basis to discuss SSA issues and what can be done. New materials are coming out as they are prayerfully composed, considered, revised, and published. It's a good time in which to live.
Wow. I agree with your post 100%, and as I can see below, a number of people will obviously disagree with you. Thanks for your point-of-view, Sean.
I agree with you 100% Sean. There will be a lot of naysayers that bitch and moan about these truths, but that's their choice. I just shrug my shoulders and say "whatever." You can't argue this point with people who have already made up their minds against it.
The fact of the matter is that people throughout history have had to do things that didn't make sense to them in order to prove themselves to God. Take Abraham for example. He went through the entire process of sacrificing his own son, up to the point of lifting the knife before that commandment from the Lord was rescinded.
Maybe it will change in the future, maybe it won't, but in the mean time it's probably best to do what the Lord has seen fit to establish as his commandments in 2008. He is the one in charge.
I'm kind of with October Rising's first comment, in that I hope that it changes before I'm past my prime. ;)
Chase-
The people in the 80's don't have to repent. The Church's stance was still the same as it is today. There are no homosexual actions allowed to be a worthy member of the Church. Sure they might have been a little construed on the idea that marrying will cure the person, but that wasn't a commandment. You're mixing up men and God. God gives the perfect law.
PS Why did you become so bitter about the Church?
Finaly some sanity on this issue. You are right. I think what it comes down to is that if this was to ever happen. We have to be faithful to the commandments now in order to be worthy for any new revelations. We can't live in a world of maybe's and hopefully's. We need to be faithful now and not when we agree with it. Thank you for sharing this. You rock.
I meant to comment on this earlier but forgot. Anyway, I agree with you 100% as well. People will be judged by the laws and commandments God has asked them to live (i.e. the doctrine of 2008)and not by the rules he gave someone else (i.e. the law of Moses, law of consecration, polygamy, etc.).
The idea that some MoHo's have postulated that we can somehow anticipate God's future commandments and live by those rules now is not only misguided but ridiculous.
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